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What this case shows is a lack of education. Girls and boys are being told that "no means no", and spouting absolute positions without considering how this might play out in real life. They aren't being told: * Getting drunk or high doesn't mean you lack capacity to give consent (so having a beer doesn't mean you can now jump on the rape wagon). You have to be totally fucking out of it to the point where you don't understand that "do you want to have a threesome" means "do you want to have actual for-real sex with two guys". You can't have a clear memory of how excited your were that maybe that means the boys are gay and claim you were incapacitated. Intoxication is not the same as incapacitation - most of us have never been incapacitated because we aren't fucking wreckless. * Being drugged without your knowledge/consent invalidates consent, binge drinking on your own to catch up with your sorority sisters is voluntary. If its voluntary, you have to show incapacity. * There is a difference between consent and submission (e.g. if you are nagged and give in, its "submission", but you still have to have done more than say "I'm tired", "are you serious", "You're a bad boy, you know that", "okay spit roast me".) Nagging is also not the same as intimidating or harming and will carry less weight. And here is the one that people still aren't getting: * Non-consensual sex is not the same as rape! Rape requires that the person could reasonably have known you were not consenting. So flexing, snorting ket aggressively, sucking dicks and having nice chats with the guys between fucks all kind of suggest you are good to go! When someone walks in the room and says "Hey miss, are you okay?" and she says yes (instead of saying I feel a bit tired, maybe I should go home) it is game on. * If the boys were drunk and high, they will not be as quick to read her mind or subtle indicators - this matters. If girls and boys aren't taught this they are being failed by the system, their schools, their parents, and tik tok feminists, but these definitions and criteria are completely logical and reasonable when interpretting such a situation.