{"@context":"https://schema.org","@type":"VideoObject","altText":"Full Fox Interview With Thomas Giuffra","alternateName":"FoxNewsVideo.mp4","caption":"Full Fox Interview With Thomas Giuffra","contentUrl":"https://lucycraig.blog/media/698/raw","datePublished":"2026-10-31T14:46:04+00:00","description":"Full Fox Interview With Thomas Giuffra","encodingFormat":"video/mp4","identifier":"698","isAccessibleForFree":true,"machineReadable":{"json":"https://lucycraig.blog/media/698/index.json","markdown":"https://lucycraig.blog/media/698/index.md"},"name":"FoxNewsVideo","ocrStatus":"not_applicable","ocrText":"","text":"[00:00] Sally Yates is leading the independent review into how Cornell University handled the Jane Doe case and the sexual assaults in general.\n[00:07] Has Jane Doe been interviewed yet and how far along is that review?\n[00:12] She's not been interviewed yet. It's very early days. In fact, I was just contacted by Sally Yates earlier this week to speak with her.\n[00:20] I think it's going to be a very good process as far as no stone is going to be left unturned and hopefully we'll get to the bottom of things.\n[00:29] Do you think Jane Doe will be interviewed for that process?\n[00:31] She absolutely will be.\n[00:32] And I suspect her family will be as well because part of the issue with Cornell is their response\n[00:37] to the rapes and what they did after the rapes and I think that's important and her parents\n[00:42] had a lot of involvement with that.\n[00:44] Any sense how long this review will take?\n[00:46] Well, I think they'll do a much better job than the district attorney of Tompkins\n[00:51] County.\n[00:52] I would imagine it's a matter of months and I think she will do an excellent\n[00:56] job.\n[00:57] Now Cornell's faculty senate voted yesterday to go ahead with a no confidence vote.\n[01:00] We were actually listening in on that call against Cornell president Kotlikoff and the administration.\n[01:07] They decided to do this rather than wait for Sally Yates's review to be finished.\n[01:12] So this vote is going to happen over the next week virtually by the faculty senate.\n[01:17] Does Jane Doe have confidence in Michael Kotlikoff to lead Cornell?\n[01:21] I think she has some concerns.\n[01:23] I think following the assaults, the president of our sorority reached out to him and his\n[01:28] response was, well why didn't she go to the police sooner?\n[01:32] I mean we were talking about two weeks after the rape, she went to the police.\n[01:35] And that is the one issue she really had and she didn't feel that there was a great response\n[01:40] or great support from the university following the assault.\n[01:44] You know on this call there was a lot of debate among the faculty about what they\n[01:48] should do.\n[01:49] Do you think I mean Jane Doe has an opportunity here to help inform this vote of no confidence\n[01:55] Is she willing to support a no confidence vote? I think her position is she wasn't happy with how things happen\n[02:02] But her experience with Cornell has moved on\n[02:05] I mean the train has left the station for if they can make some improvements\n[02:09] And that's the goal of our lawsuit to make some improvements going forward\n[02:13] but I think she has a lot on her plate that\n[02:16] Far exceed what's going on in Ithaca, New York\n[02:19] So Cornell actually disputes the second hand account.\n[02:23] I'm sure you know this.\n[02:24] They say that Kotlakov was questioning why bystanders didn't report the incident sooner, not necessarily specifically Jane Doe.\n[02:32] What's your response to that?\n[02:33] Well, I think that's convenient.\n[02:34] I think the interpretation of the person who was there makes more sense than in the context of the conversation than what they're trying to say now.\n[02:43] Now, as for the Cornell Police investigation, there was a lot of talk about that six-page sworn statement.\n[02:48] statement by Jane Doe that did not include her assertion that she was quote 100% raped.\n[02:55] Why was that statement left out given that she made changes to her statement and ultimately\n[03:00] signed off on it?\n[03:01] Well, she gave a statements that were 100 pages and transcribed.\n[03:07] Her understanding at the time was that that 100 page interview was going to be going\n[03:12] along with the statement.\n[03:13] It's not just six pages, and this is it.\n[03:16] And in that, it included the violence.\n[03:18] It included the force.\n[03:19] It included 100% certain she was raped.\n[03:22] Now, you have to ask yourself, why\n[03:24] was that six-page report sanitized?\n[03:26] Why did it not include these important points that actually\n[03:29] lay out the elements of a crime?\n[03:31] But she was not the police officer.\n[03:33] She was not the investigator.\n[03:34] She cooperated.\n[03:35] She gave this evidence.\n[03:36] And apparently, it wasn't forwarded on,\n[03:39] depending on who you believe.\n[03:40] And you have to ask yourself, why\n[03:42] was it not included in the six page report so even though Jane Joe made edits\n[03:45] to that six page report it was her belief that that was not going to be the\n[03:48] only document that was sent over to police why would she I mean just\n[03:52] logically I mean you have to wonder why that six page report was the only thing\n[03:57] that was done why was it written in the fashion it was she didn't she wasn't\n[04:00] the author of it but she gave a hundred pages of testimony about what\n[04:04] it occurred that included all the elements of a crime and then you a\n[04:07] sanitized report is prepared which eliminated all the elements of the crime.\n[04:12] You have to wonder.\n[04:13] Do you think this was a cover-up by Cornell University?\n[04:17] I think there was a cover-up and I'm not somebody who says that lightly.\n[04:20] I certainly am not.\n[04:22] And I think there was a cover-up.\n[04:23] I think there was a desire to protect the institution.\n[04:26] I think that went forward with up in Tompkins County because look, it's the single biggest\n[04:33] employer.\n[04:34] It's the source of all the revenue in the county.\n[04:35] you get outside of Cornell in Tompkins County,\n[04:37] you have cows, you have farms, that's it.\n[04:40] So you have to wonder why all of this information\n[04:43] was not included, why were the interviews not included\n[04:46] to the police, why were all the statements that supported\n[04:50] a crime not forward and onto the district attorney.\n[04:53] But here's the bigger question.\n[04:54] The district attorney is the person\n[04:55] who's in charge of doing the prosecution.\n[04:58] Why didn't they request all the investigation materials?\n[05:01] And here's the thing that I think is very important.\n[05:03] Why are they being leaked?\n[05:05] Because I don't get investigation materials as an attorney in a civil case.\n[05:09] They go to the defense lawyer in a criminal case, they're called Brady materials.\n[05:14] So who's releasing these materials?\n[05:16] Who's leaking them to the press?\n[05:17] I think what happened was the people who did the investigation thought there was\n[05:20] a crime.\n[05:22] And I think they're not happy that they have egg on their face and being portrayed\n[05:26] as inept, because that's what I thought.\n[05:29] And now they're showing, look, we did our job, but the people in charge, the\n[05:32] the bosses didn't follow up on it.\n[05:35] So you have been accused of leaking this information.\n[05:38] In fact, in court, one of the attorneys for the accused\n[05:40] says that you are attempting to poison the jury pool\n[05:44] by going out there and leaking this information.\n[05:46] Do you deny that you're leaking anything to the press,\n[05:49] the text messages, anything?\n[05:51] I sent a letter to the court.\n[05:54] I offered to give the court a review of my emails\n[05:57] and my text where I said I can't give them to you\n[06:01] because these are confidential.\n[06:02] I was the only one who did that.\n[06:04] All the defense lawyers, the people who said\n[06:05] I was the leaker, didn't take up the offer.\n[06:09] They didn't say, you can look at my text,\n[06:11] you can look at my emails, what does that tell you?\n[06:13] And here's the thing, the things that have been leaked,\n[06:16] of course, the findings, they haven't been leaked\n[06:18] because they're favorable to me.\n[06:19] After a month long hearing,\n[06:21] everybody who I sued was found guilty of something.\n[06:24] I'm not gonna tell you what,\n[06:26] but why are they not leaking that?\n[06:28] Ask yourself that.\n[06:29] So who is leaking this, you think?\n[06:30] I have no idea, but I know it's not me.\n[06:35] I wanted to ask you, so you have suggested\n[06:41] that this two-year delay may have resulted\n[06:43] in critical evidence in this case being destroyed.\n[06:46] Do you have any evidence at all\n[06:48] that critical evidence has been destroyed in this case?\n[06:50] What I have is my experience as a lawyer\n[06:52] looking at cases, evaluating cases for over 30 years.\n[06:55] The best time to get evidence\n[06:56] is close in time to the event.\n[06:58] The longer a time goes by, evidence gets lost,\n[07:02] gets, things go, happen to it,\n[07:04] and you don't have the opportunity to develop your case.\n[07:07] That's why when I get involved in a case,\n[07:09] I wanna get into it early so I can collect the evidence.\n[07:11] That's the delay.\n[07:13] Time is the delay,\n[07:15] and time prevents you from building a solid case.\n[07:18] But why throw out the assertion\n[07:20] that critical evidence could be destroyed?\n[07:22] I mean, at a time when we don't know that.\n[07:24] Well, I know enough about Instagram,\n[07:26] The whole idea about Instagram as it's there, it's gone.\n[07:29] If the group chat, which invited people\n[07:31] to participate in the rape,\n[07:33] if that hadn't been given to Jane Doe within two days,\n[07:37] knowing what I know about Instagram,\n[07:39] it would have disappeared.\n[07:40] So logically, people are on Instagram, it disappears.\n[07:44] People are on Telegram, it disappears.\n[07:47] What I can tell you is I logically know\n[07:50] that the best time to get evidence\n[07:51] in close and proximity to the event.\n[07:54] Has Jane Doe sat with Attorney General Letitia James' team yet,\n[07:57] and has she given a sworn statement?\n[07:59] She has not.\n[08:02] Do you have any idea where we stand on that investigation\n[08:04] right now?\n[08:05] It's early days.\n[08:06] No conversation, no sworn statement, nothing.\n[08:09] So there's an effort today in Monticello, New York.\n[08:12] I had no idea why it's happening there.\n[08:13] But a New York judge is hearing arguments\n[08:15] between one of the accused attorneys and Letitia James\n[08:18] and Governor Kathy Huckle.\n[08:20] Letitia James is being accused of being\n[08:22] biased against the accused man and pre-judging this case by posting on X about Jane Doe quote\n[08:28] we stand with you this was three days before she was chosen to be the special prosecutor.\n[08:33] Do you think A.G.\n[08:34] James should be replaced as special prosecutor to remove even the appearance that an independent\n[08:39] investigation is biased?\n[08:41] Well I think look I'm not a judge I don't rule on that but what I can say is this\n[08:47] Leticia James, I disagreed with her during the Weinstein litigation.\n[08:52] I mean, I'm on record as the person who blew up the class action settled with me\n[08:57] and two other lawyers because I didn't think it was fair.\n[08:59] So, look, Leticia James, I didn't think she was right that time.\n[09:02] She could be right this time.\n[09:03] However, the basic point is this, the New York State Attorney General's office\n[09:07] is not equipped to do criminal investigations.\n[09:10] She's going to appoint somebody who's outside, who's an experienced prosecutor.\n[09:13] She's not going to be in charge of it.\n[09:15] It's much ado about nothing.\n[09:16] I think because they'll be bringing in a professional either somebody, a very experienced\n[09:21] prosecutor from one of the offices down in Manhattan or Brooklyn who deal with sex crimes\n[09:25] all the time.\n[09:27] And that's who's going to be doing the investigation.\n[09:29] Tish James is not doing any investigation.\n[09:31] But ultimately it's in her office and she's given the title of special prosecutor.\n[09:35] So why go through this if it doesn't matter?\n[09:38] Well, why go through this is this is how government works.\n[09:41] She's the leading law officer in the state of New York.\n[09:44] Logically she gets the appointment because she's the leading law officer in the state\n[09:48] I mean you're not going to appoint somebody who doesn't fall into the bureaucratic hierarchy of our government\n[09:54] That's how government works\n[09:55] Would you have preferred somebody who wasn't so political to be in charge of this thing? Well look candidly\n[10:01] the appointment of Letitia James has brought out people who I think are kooks and it caused\n[10:08] Trouble for me personally it caused trouble for my client personally because of\n[10:13] people get she's a polarizing figure now you know that's I could have done\n[10:18] without that yeah you know just overall what does Jane Doe want as a result of\n[10:28] these investigations which she wants first and foremost is she wants there\n[10:33] to be change at Cornell how they educate students to prevent rape let\n[10:40] them know there's consequences if there is sexual abuse and that there's\n[10:44] appropriate support if something happens. Now that didn't happen in her case across the board so\n[10:50] look people have tried to say look this is all about money it's yes it is about money but it's\n[10:54] also about change because any resolution with this case is going to have strings attached that\n[10:58] require them to take steps to educate their incoming freshmen look when I went to college 40\n[11:03] years ago it was made very clear to me at orientation what's appropriate what's not what are\n[11:07] the consequences it's not going to be a joke for example we know we know within 48 hours\n[11:13] before this, this, this rapes occurred, could get arrested for drugs, ketamine, overdose,\n[11:20] ketamine.\n[11:21] Within 48 hours, there shouldn't have been a party that night.\n[11:24] That should be, and their rules say there shouldn't have been a sanctioned party, but\n[11:27] it went ahead.\n[11:28] That kind of stuff shouldn't have happened, and it should stop going forward.\n[11:31] And then what happened with the ketamine?\n[11:33] Why is there so much ketamine there?\n[11:34] I'll ask you about the ketamine in a minute, but I want to ask you about whether, so\n[11:40] You talk about the monetary, I guess, the compensation that you're looking for with\n[11:45] your civil lawsuit.\n[11:47] Would Jane Doe be willing to settle, to make all of this go away with a monetary settlement\n[11:52] that you found sufficient?\n[11:54] No.\n[11:55] It's going to come with strengths, because her goal is also to make a change.\n[11:58] Her goal is to make sure that going forward, there are no more Jane Does.\n[12:02] It's not just about money.\n[12:03] It's about change at that institution, how they deal with sex abuse, how they\n[12:07] deal with rapes and how they support women and men if this happens.\n[12:12] I mean, look, 35% of the people at their institution, and that's 5,000 people, 5,000 have, according\n[12:21] to their own, their own, let me do that again.\n[12:24] Yeah, go ahead.\n[12:25] Let me do that again.\n[12:26] Do I want to ask a question?\n[12:27] Ask me the question.\n[12:28] Yeah, so would Jane Doe be willing to settle for any kind of monetary settlement in\n[12:33] this case?\n[12:34] This is different than other cases.\n[12:35] This is going to have strings attached.\n[12:37] This is going to require Cornell to take steps to prevent sex abuse on campus and to give\n[12:43] support to people who are survivors of sex abuse on campus, none of which happened in\n[12:47] this case.\n[12:48] I mean, here's the thing, 35% of all students at that institution that's reported were\n[12:56] subjected to unwanted sexual conduct, sexual assault.\n[13:00] That's an incredible number.\n[13:01] Now, translate what that 35% is.\n[13:04] I looked up, there's 16,000 people who go to Cornell,\n[13:07] that's about 5,000 people.\n[13:09] That's an incredible amount, actually more.\n[13:10] I'm wrong about that, let me change that again.\n[13:15] I'll start again.\n[13:16] I won't use a PGA on the math, don't worry about that.\n[13:18] What?\n[13:19] The math part, don't worry about that.\n[13:19] Yeah, you're good, you're good.\n[13:20] The rest of it was great, yeah, same with us,\n[13:22] math ain't great.\n[13:23] Math ain't not good, that's us\n[13:24] with the liberal arts degree, so that's a good math.\n[13:28] So, hypothetically here, a settlement is reached\n[13:32] with strings and money.\n[13:33] Would Jane Doe be willing to drop all criminal proceedings\n[13:36] or investigations?\n[13:38] No, no, they need to be accountable.\n[13:41] They need to be accountable.\n[13:42] These boys raped her,\n[13:43] and they should be accountable under the law.\n[13:47] Wow, so there's no way out of this criminal.\n[13:49] Well, we don't make the decision\n[13:50] who's gonna prosecute her, who's not.\n[13:52] She wouldn't drop the charges\n[13:54] or she wouldn't dismiss the charges\n[13:56] on her own right with a settlement.\n[13:58] No, no way, no way.\n[14:00] They should be accountable.\n[14:03] So a judge recently ruled that Jane Doe can continue to use her pseudo name and does not\n[14:09] need to be publicly identified.\n[14:12] Is Jane Doe continuing to receive threats and what are those threats like?\n[14:16] The threats have tapered off because people who make threats are cowards.\n[14:20] And once I was out there explaining that the people who did the swatting and the\n[14:25] people who were making threats against my wife and against Jane Doe, they seemed\n[14:28] to have crawled back into their hole.\n[14:30] So the threats have decreased tremendously because cowards don't want to deal with the\n[14:35] FBI.\n[14:36] They don't want to get hauled into jail.\n[14:38] And so they've gone down dramatically.\n[14:40] And I think there's been an out backlash about what was going on and the people who were\n[14:45] doing this.\n[14:46] And that's a good thing.\n[14:47] It shows that we're Americans, we're good people, and we don't do things like that.\n[14:51] The attorneys for the accused man agreed that Jane Doe should have her anonymity\n[14:55] given the threats that she's facing.\n[14:58] However, in your civil lawsuit, you named all seven accused men.\n[15:01] Yep.\n[15:02] Why did you do that?\n[15:03] Well, because, A, the law doesn't provide them with the right to anonymity.\n[15:07] It does provide to somebody who's a survivor of sex abuse.\n[15:11] The fact is, by identifying them, my experience has been,\n[15:14] I don't know if these guys, is that there's usually information that comes out\n[15:20] when defendants' names are public.\n[15:22] For example, I had a case where I sued somebody publicly and I received three calls for other\n[15:33] victims of this person.\n[15:34] In fact, I had one on another case this morning that I got for somebody with a doctor who\n[15:39] was abusing a patient and I received an email just this morning from somebody who identified\n[15:44] as a survivor and a victim of what had happened.\n[15:46] What about threats towards them and their rights to at least have all the facts\n[15:51] out there before they're being accused of rape?\n[15:54] Well, I do have the facts, and the fact is, what they did was wrong.\n[16:00] That group chat is devastating.\n[16:03] There's no way to go hide that.\n[16:04] You can spin it whatever way you want, but it's an invitation to rape somebody.\n[16:10] Plain and simple.\n[16:11] So you have no concern about the fact that their names are out there before all of\n[16:14] this has been adjudicated?\n[16:16] No, because I think they did what they did.\n[16:19] They should be accountable.\n[16:20] They're sitting there, some of them are still going to Cornell.\n[16:22] My client got into Cornell.\n[16:24] They thought she was somebody from some Nowhere'sville and there wasn't going to be consequences,\n[16:28] but they're going to get their Ivy League degree.\n[16:29] She's not getting her Ivy League degree.\n[16:31] That's not right.\n[16:32] And you see Jane Doe as a completely different, I guess some people might say there's\n[16:39] a hypocrisy in wanting Jane Doe to keep her anonymity, but not these men.\n[16:44] There's no hypocrisy.\n[16:45] The law is the law.\n[16:47] It's written to, you know, in a fashion that protects survivors of sex abuse.\n[16:54] It's not written in a fashion to protect perpetrators of sex abuse.\n[16:58] That's the law.\n[16:59] That's what our politicians up in Albany came up with, and that's the law in the state\n[17:03] of New York.\n[17:04] It's not my law.\n[17:05] It's not Jane Doe's law.\n[17:06] It's the law of the state of New York.\n[17:07] Last few questions here.\n[17:08] You were asked, one of the accused asked a judge to issue a gag order to bar you\n[17:14] from talking to the press.\n[17:15] talked about this, arguing that you were poisoning the jury pool. A judge denied that\n[17:19] request. There's a Netflix documentary that's coming out today. Are you getting paid for\n[17:26] that documentary? Why choose to continue to go out there?\n[17:29] Well, part of the reason I'm continuing to go out there is the following. There's\n[17:33] been a backlash against Jane Doe. There's been leaking of documents to kind of try\n[17:37] to control the narrative by the other side. And I've seen it before. I saw it in\n[17:43] the Sean Combs case, and I knew it was gonna happen in this case, and sure enough it did.\n[17:48] And so I'm basically being the voice for Jane Doe, because Jane Doe can't speak.\n[17:51] I mean, look, the defense lawyers are out there talking, and they're trying to spin\n[17:55] their story.\n[17:56] For example, you know, this whole idea that obviously they have no idea of how rape\n[18:01] trauma works, and they don't like the fact that I can explain how rape trauma\n[18:04] works, because guess what?\n[18:05] I've represented people for years and years, and I've read hundreds of studies,\n[18:09] so I understand it, but they tried to silence it.\n[18:12] I think you just referred to this, but I want to ask you about the TMZ text messages that\n[18:15] were leaked.\n[18:16] And those messages Jane Doe refers to the alleged assault as a quote, gang bang, saying,\n[18:21] I don't think we should feel any shame for that part.\n[18:25] Our body, our choice.\n[18:27] The friendly texts are the two of the seven men she's accused of rape.\n[18:30] What's your response to these texts?\n[18:32] My response to these texts, and this is why they're being leaked in this selective\n[18:36] fashion, is they're the typical reaction of somebody following a rape, particularly\n[18:40] involving close friends.\n[18:42] are rape survivors and this is not me saying this you can look at there's many\n[18:46] many studies and there's no studies out there that say the contrary rape\n[18:50] survivors don't want to be identified as a victim there's denial first step of\n[18:54] any rape survivors processing then there's shame what could I have done\n[18:57] differently and then there's finally acceptance so you know what that's what\n[19:01] science said it's not what I say and that's why the defense tried to\n[19:05] silence me because I can explain the science and they don't want the\n[19:08] science out there. Yeah, there's also a text message at 3 0 5 in the morning to\n[19:12] Jane Doe's roommate in which she asked if she was coming home that night and Jane\n[19:16] answers IDK. I don't know. The text exchange occurred somewhere between a\n[19:21] half hour an hour after she says multiple men were snorting ketamine off\n[19:24] her body and that she was quote out of it. You say in your civil lawsuit\n[19:28] that she was totally incapacitated. The defense says this is proof that\n[19:33] she was not incapacitated that she was not out of it. Well, I think the\n[19:37] The people who said they were snorting ketamine offer, don't dispute they were snorting ketamine\n[19:40] offer.\n[19:41] The people who had sexual relations with her don't deny that they had sexual relations\n[19:45] with her.\n[19:46] I think taking one select text out of 500 pages of evidence in the Title IX hearing\n[19:53] and is really selective, because I could cherry pick anything I want to.\n[19:58] But you know, that's what's going on.\n[20:00] And finally, sources with direct knowledge are telling TMZ that DEA is working with local law enforcement to hunt down the source of the ketamine drug from that night.\n[20:09] Has the DEA contacted you or Jane Doe about ketamine or that investigation?\n[20:14] No, obviously there's a problem. One of the things I believe we mentioned in the lawsuit is one of the men said that the ketamine came from Cornell Labs.\n[20:23] And if they're investigating it, they should.\n[20:25] I mean, logically, why was the Cornell police not investigating why the Kai-Fi house was\n[20:31] overrun with ketamine?\n[20:32] It's a date rape drug.\n[20:34] Everybody knows that.\n[20:35] And so, why, logically, are you in Ithaca, New York, why would you not want to investigate\n[20:40] why there's so much ketamine?\n[20:41] I mean, look, they had a drug overdose, they had a drug bust.\n[20:44] And then they have this incident all in a short period of time.\n[20:47] Doesn't that show a problem?\n[20:48] Doesn't that show why is there so much ketamine up in Ithaca, New York in\n[20:52] in this one frat house.\n[20:53] Would Jane Doe be willing to participate\n[20:55] in a drug investigation?\n[20:56] Well, I don't think she knows anything\n[20:58] about the origins of the drugs.\n[20:59] That I can say for sure.\n[21:01] But I think if they're looking into it,\n[21:03] they should have looked into it two years ago,\n[21:04] and it makes logical sense\n[21:06] that they're looking into it now.\n[21:08] And finally, overall, there just seems to be this idea\n[21:12] that when people read these text messages\n[21:13] in the narrative that's been out there,\n[21:15] there is a sense from reading the text messages\n[21:18] that Jane Doe at least wanted to have sex\n[21:20] with two of those men.\n[21:22] Your civil lawsuit is unequivocal that she was raped\n[21:25] by all of the men, that she was totally incapacitated,\n[21:28] forced to do this, even though there are text messages\n[21:31] and part documents out there that show that Jane Doe\n[21:35] was interested in having sex with at least two of the men\n[21:37] and there are friendly texts before and after.\n[21:40] Why go so far in your civil lawsuit\n[21:44] to accuse all seven of forced rape\n[21:48] And not just at least, you know, isn't there a plausibility here that she wanted to have sex with two of the seven men and that it was raped by the other men at some point in that night?\n[22:00] It wasn't consensual?\n[22:02] What I want to be clear on, and I've said this many times and the complaint says this, I'm not saying every single one of these men committed rape.\n[22:08] I'm certainly not saying that.\n[22:10] What I am saying is the evidence that shows, and again people look in little slivers and cherry-picked to try to present to a narrative,\n[22:17] If she was intoxicated from the time she left her sorority house, she should have never\n[22:22] left that sorority house.\n[22:24] Never, never, never.\n[22:25] And she went out into the world, she served alcohol at two different bars, and then she\n[22:29] shows up there.\n[22:30] She had no ability to consent.\n[22:31] Period.\n[22:32] Okay.\n[22:36] I think we've covered everything.\n[22:38] Do you know anything you want to say?\n[22:40] Anything that we may not have covered?\n[22:41] No, no, no.\n[22:42] Where'd you hear about the DEA thing?\n[22:44] TMZ.\n[22:45] That's why I quoted them.\n[22:47] We don't have it ourselves.\n[22:48] I think you have one more question.\n[22:51] Sure.\n[22:53] Just look at me once you respond.\n[22:54] Yeah.\n[22:55] You alluded to this that she wants to see changes at Cornell.\n[22:58] Yeah.\n[23:00] Does Jane Doe, or do you have actual concrete ideas\n[23:05] as to how this kind of culture can change, not only at Cornell\n[23:09] but university campuses across the country?\n[23:11] Yeah, I think the one thing why this is resonated\n[23:15] is because it's so prevalent,\n[23:18] and it's not just a Cornell problem.\n[23:19] I think it's university-wide,\n[23:22] I think it's society-wide, frankly,\n[23:24] and there are steps that universities can take\n[23:28] to decrease the risk of the incidents.\n[23:31] For example, I did do looking at some of the statistics\n[23:34] from other schools, and there were other schools\n[23:36] that had kind of high numbers, like 35%,\n[23:39] and they instituted programs to kind of address this,\n[23:42] and their numbers dropped down to 20.\n[23:45] So that's a big jump.\n[23:46] So if you take the affirmative steps, the incidences go down\n[23:52] and people get educated.\n[23:53] I mean, look, where I went to school, it's very low.\n[23:55] Relatively, it's only 7%.\n[23:57] But I know where I went to school 40 years ago,\n[23:59] it was very clear to me that if you did something inappropriate\n[24:02] like this, it's no ifs, buts, or maybes, you're out.\n[24:05] And you treat women in a certain way.\n[24:07] And if you don't, there are going to be consequences.\n[24:09] Cornell doesn't seem like they have consequences\n[24:12] in a lot of ways.\n[24:12] And that's a problem and that leads to a culture where you end up with 5,000 people out of\n[24:19] the total population of the undergraduate school being subjected to unwanted sexual\n[24:24] conduct, some kind of assault or rape.","thumbnailUrl":"https://lucycraig.blog/media/698/thumb.webp","transcriptSegments":[{"end":7.05,"start":0.05,"text":"Sally Yates is leading the independent review into how Cornell University handled the Jane Doe case and the sexual assaults in general."},{"end":12.05,"start":7.05,"text":"Has Jane Doe been interviewed yet and how far along is that review?"},{"end":20.05,"start":12.05,"text":"She's not been interviewed yet. It's very early days. In fact, I was just contacted by Sally Yates earlier this week to speak with her."},{"end":29.05,"start":20.05,"text":"I think it's going to be a very good process as far as no stone is going to be left unturned and hopefully we'll get to the bottom of things."},{"end":31.45,"start":29.05,"text":"Do you think Jane Doe will be interviewed for that process?"},{"end":32.57,"start":31.45,"text":"She absolutely will be."},{"end":37.97,"start":32.57,"text":"And I suspect her family will be as well because part of the issue with Cornell is their response"},{"end":42.77,"start":37.97,"text":"to the rapes and what they did after the rapes and I think that's important and her parents"},{"end":44.29,"start":42.77,"text":"had a lot of involvement with that."},{"end":46.37,"start":44.29,"text":"Any sense how long this review will take?"},{"end":51.85,"start":46.37,"text":"Well, I think they'll do a much better job than the district attorney of Tompkins"},{"end":52.85,"start":51.85,"text":"County."},{"end":56.17,"start":52.85,"text":"I would imagine it's a matter of months and I think she will do an excellent"},{"end":57.17,"start":56.17,"text":"job."},{"end":60.85,"start":57.17,"text":"Now Cornell's faculty senate voted yesterday to go ahead with a no confidence vote."},{"end":66.29,"start":60.85,"text":"We were actually listening in on that call against Cornell president Kotlikoff and the administration."},{"end":71.25,"start":67.17,"text":"They decided to do this rather than wait for Sally Yates's review to be finished."},{"end":77.41,"start":72.05,"text":"So this vote is going to happen over the next week virtually by the faculty senate."},{"end":81.17,"start":77.41,"text":"Does Jane Doe have confidence in Michael Kotlikoff to lead Cornell?"},{"end":83.33,"start":81.81,"text":"I think she has some concerns."},{"end":88.89,"start":83.33,"text":"I think following the assaults, the president of our sorority reached out to him and his"},{"end":92.29,"start":88.89,"text":"response was, well why didn't she go to the police sooner?"},{"end":95.77,"start":92.29,"text":"I mean we were talking about two weeks after the rape, she went to the police."},{"end":100.41,"start":95.77,"text":"And that is the one issue she really had and she didn't feel that there was a great response"},{"end":104.73,"start":100.41,"text":"or great support from the university following the assault."},{"end":108.89,"start":104.73,"text":"You know on this call there was a lot of debate among the faculty about what they"},{"end":109.89,"start":108.89,"text":"should do."},{"end":115.61,"start":109.89,"text":"Do you think I mean Jane Doe has an opportunity here to help inform this vote of no confidence"},{"end":122.41,"start":115.61,"text":"Is she willing to support a no confidence vote? I think her position is she wasn't happy with how things happen"},{"end":125.77,"start":122.41,"text":"But her experience with Cornell has moved on"},{"end":129.89,"start":125.77,"text":"I mean the train has left the station for if they can make some improvements"},{"end":133.03,"start":129.89,"text":"And that's the goal of our lawsuit to make some improvements going forward"},{"end":136.27,"start":133.21,"text":"but I think she has a lot on her plate that"},{"end":139.01,"start":136.77,"text":"Far exceed what's going on in Ithaca, New York"},{"end":143.01,"start":139.01,"text":"So Cornell actually disputes the second hand account."},{"end":144.01,"start":143.01,"text":"I'm sure you know this."},{"end":152.01,"start":144.01,"text":"They say that Kotlakov was questioning why bystanders didn't report the incident sooner, not necessarily specifically Jane Doe."},{"end":153.01,"start":152.01,"text":"What's your response to that?"},{"end":154.01,"start":153.01,"text":"Well, I think that's convenient."},{"end":163.01,"start":154.01,"text":"I think the interpretation of the person who was there makes more sense than in the context of the conversation than what they're trying to say now."},{"end":168.01,"start":163.01,"text":"Now, as for the Cornell Police investigation, there was a lot of talk about that six-page sworn statement."},{"end":175.21,"start":168.01,"text":"statement by Jane Doe that did not include her assertion that she was quote 100% raped."},{"end":180.17,"start":175.21,"text":"Why was that statement left out given that she made changes to her statement and ultimately"},{"end":181.17,"start":180.17,"text":"signed off on it?"},{"end":187.37,"start":181.17,"text":"Well, she gave a statements that were 100 pages and transcribed."},{"end":192.89,"start":187.37,"text":"Her understanding at the time was that that 100 page interview was going to be going"},{"end":193.89,"start":192.89,"text":"along with the statement."},{"end":196.53,"start":193.89,"text":"It's 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this case being destroyed."},{"end":408.25,"start":406.61,"text":"Do you have any evidence at all"},{"end":410.49,"start":408.25,"text":"that critical evidence has been destroyed in this case?"},{"end":412.57,"start":410.49,"text":"What I have is my experience as a lawyer"},{"end":415.57,"start":412.57,"text":"looking at cases, evaluating cases for over 30 years."},{"end":416.85,"start":415.57,"text":"The best time to get evidence"},{"end":418.89,"start":416.85,"text":"is close in time to the event."},{"end":422.71,"start":418.89,"text":"The longer a time goes by, evidence gets lost,"},{"end":424.77,"start":422.71,"text":"gets, things go, happen to it,"},{"end":427.57,"start":424.77,"text":"and you don't have the opportunity to develop your case."},{"end":429.25,"start":427.57,"text":"That's why when I get involved in a case,"},{"end":431.89,"start":429.25,"text":"I wanna get into it early so I can collect the evidence."},{"end":433.05,"start":431.89,"text":"That's the 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people are on Instagram, it disappears."},{"end":467.21,"start":464.37,"text":"People are on Telegram, it disappears."},{"end":470.53,"start":467.21,"text":"What I can tell you is I logically know"},{"end":471.97,"start":470.53,"text":"that the best time to get evidence"},{"end":474.21,"start":471.97,"text":"in close and proximity to the event."},{"end":477.61,"start":474.21,"text":"Has Jane Doe sat with Attorney General Letitia James' team yet,"},{"end":479.93,"start":477.61,"text":"and has she given a sworn statement?"},{"end":482.09,"start":479.93,"text":"She has not."},{"end":484.45,"start":482.09,"text":"Do you have any idea where we stand on that investigation"},{"end":485.29,"start":484.45,"text":"right now?"},{"end":486.73,"start":485.29,"text":"It's early days."},{"end":489.69,"start":486.73,"text":"No conversation, no sworn statement, nothing."},{"end":492.21,"start":489.69,"text":"So there's an effort today in Monticello, New York."},{"end":493.81,"start":492.21,"text":"I had no idea why it's happening there."},{"end":495.29,"start":493.81,"text":"But a New York judge is hearing arguments"},{"end":498.57,"start":495.29,"text":"between one of the accused attorneys and Letitia James"},{"end":500.53,"start":498.57,"text":"and Governor Kathy Huckle."},{"end":502.29,"start":500.53,"text":"Letitia James is being accused of being"},{"end":508.13,"start":502.29,"text":"biased against the accused man and pre-judging this case by posting on X about Jane Doe quote"},{"end":513.49,"start":508.13,"text":"we stand with you this was three days before she was chosen to be the special prosecutor."},{"end":514.49,"start":513.49,"text":"Do you think A.G."},{"end":519.85,"start":514.49,"text":"James should be replaced as special prosecutor to remove even the appearance that an independent"},{"end":521.41,"start":519.85,"text":"investigation is biased?"},{"end":527.41,"start":521.41,"text":"Well I think look I'm not a judge I don't rule on that but what I can say is 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nothing."},{"end":561.13,"start":556.93,"text":"I think because they'll be bringing in a professional either somebody, a very experienced"},{"end":565.89,"start":561.13,"text":"prosecutor from one of the offices down in Manhattan or Brooklyn who deal with sex crimes"},{"end":567.17,"start":565.89,"text":"all the time."},{"end":569.33,"start":567.17,"text":"And that's who's going to be doing the investigation."},{"end":571.81,"start":569.33,"text":"Tish James is not doing any investigation."},{"end":575.33,"start":571.81,"text":"But ultimately it's in her office and she's given the title of special prosecutor."},{"end":578.45,"start":575.33,"text":"So why go through this if it doesn't matter?"},{"end":581.41,"start":578.45,"text":"Well, why go through this is this is how government works."},{"end":584.05,"start":581.41,"text":"She's the leading law officer in the state of New York."},{"end":588.31,"start":584.05,"text":"Logically she gets the appointment because she's the leading law 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Now that didn't happen in her case across the board so"},{"end":654.19,"start":650.03,"text":"look people have tried to say look this is all about money it's yes it is about money but it's"},{"end":658.43,"start":654.19,"text":"also about change because any resolution with this case is going to have strings attached that"},{"end":663.63,"start":658.43,"text":"require them to take steps to educate their incoming freshmen look when I went to college 40"},{"end":667.79,"start":663.63,"text":"years ago it was made very clear to me at orientation what's appropriate what's not what are"},{"end":673.47,"start":667.79,"text":"the consequences it's not going to be a joke for example we know we know within 48 hours"},{"end":680.59,"start":673.47,"text":"before this, this, this rapes occurred, could get arrested for drugs, ketamine, overdose,"},{"end":681.59,"start":680.59,"text":"ketamine."},{"end":684.29,"start":681.59,"text":"Within 48 hours, there shouldn't have been a party that 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press."},{"end":1039.76,"start":1035.12,"text":"talked about this, arguing that you were poisoning the jury pool. 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after."},{"end":1304.14,"start":1300.74,"text":"Why go so far in your civil lawsuit"},{"end":1308.02,"start":1304.14,"text":"to accuse all seven of forced rape"},{"end":1320.02,"start":1308.02,"text":"And not just at least, you know, isn't there a plausibility here that she wanted to have sex with two of the seven men and that it was raped by the other men at some point in that night?"},{"end":1322.02,"start":1320.02,"text":"It wasn't consensual?"},{"end":1328.02,"start":1322.02,"text":"What I want to be clear on, and I've said this many times and the complaint says this, I'm not saying every single one of these men committed rape."},{"end":1330.02,"start":1328.02,"text":"I'm certainly not saying that."},{"end":1337.02,"start":1330.02,"text":"What I am saying is the evidence that shows, and again people look in little slivers and cherry-picked to try to present to a narrative,"},{"end":1342.74,"start":1337.02,"text":"If she was intoxicated from the time she left her sorority house, she 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being subjected to unwanted sexual"},{"end":1466.16,"start":1464.3,"text":"conduct, some kind of assault or rape."}],"transcriptStatus":"ready","transcriptText":"[00:00] Sally Yates is leading the independent review into how Cornell University handled the Jane Doe case and the sexual assaults in general.\n[00:07] Has Jane Doe been interviewed yet and how far along is that review?\n[00:12] She's not been interviewed yet. It's very early days. In fact, I was just contacted by Sally Yates earlier this week to speak with her.\n[00:20] I think it's going to be a very good process as far as no stone is going to be left unturned and hopefully we'll get to the bottom of things.\n[00:29] Do you think Jane Doe will be interviewed for that process?\n[00:31] She absolutely will be.\n[00:32] And I suspect her family will be as well because part of the issue with Cornell is their response\n[00:37] to the rapes and what they did after the rapes and I think that's important and her parents\n[00:42] had a lot of involvement with that.\n[00:44] Any sense how long this review will take?\n[00:46] Well, I think they'll do a much better job than the district attorney of Tompkins\n[00:51] County.\n[00:52] I would imagine it's a matter of months and I think she will do an excellent\n[00:56] job.\n[00:57] Now Cornell's faculty senate voted yesterday to go ahead with a no confidence vote.\n[01:00] We were actually listening in on that call against Cornell president Kotlikoff and the administration.\n[01:07] They decided to do this rather than wait for Sally Yates's review to be finished.\n[01:12] So this vote is going to happen over the next week virtually by the faculty senate.\n[01:17] Does Jane Doe have confidence in Michael Kotlikoff to lead Cornell?\n[01:21] I think she has some concerns.\n[01:23] I think following the assaults, the president of our sorority reached out to him and his\n[01:28] response was, well why didn't she go to the police sooner?\n[01:32] I mean we were talking about two weeks after the rape, she went to the police.\n[01:35] And that is the one issue she really had and she didn't feel that there was a great response\n[01:40] or great support from the university following the assault.\n[01:44] You know on this call there was a lot of debate among the faculty about what they\n[01:48] should do.\n[01:49] Do you think I mean Jane Doe has an opportunity here to help inform this vote of no confidence\n[01:55] Is she willing to support a no confidence vote? I think her position is she wasn't happy with how things happen\n[02:02] But her experience with Cornell has moved on\n[02:05] I mean the train has left the station for if they can make some improvements\n[02:09] And that's the goal of our lawsuit to make some improvements going forward\n[02:13] but I think she has a lot on her plate that\n[02:16] Far exceed what's going on in Ithaca, New York\n[02:19] So Cornell actually disputes the second hand account.\n[02:23] I'm sure you know this.\n[02:24] They say that Kotlakov was questioning why bystanders didn't report the incident sooner, not necessarily specifically Jane Doe.\n[02:32] What's your response to that?\n[02:33] Well, I think that's convenient.\n[02:34] I think the interpretation of the person who was there makes more sense than in the context of the conversation than what they're trying to say now.\n[02:43] Now, as for the Cornell Police investigation, there was a lot of talk about that six-page sworn statement.\n[02:48] statement by Jane Doe that did not include her assertion that she was quote 100% raped.\n[02:55] Why was that statement left out given that she made changes to her statement and ultimately\n[03:00] signed off on it?\n[03:01] Well, she gave a statements that were 100 pages and transcribed.\n[03:07] Her understanding at the time was that that 100 page interview was going to be going\n[03:12] along with the statement.\n[03:13] It's not just six pages, and this is it.\n[03:16] And in that, it included the violence.\n[03:18] It included the force.\n[03:19] It included 100% certain she was raped.\n[03:22] Now, you have to ask yourself, why\n[03:24] was that six-page report sanitized?\n[03:26] Why did it not include these important points that actually\n[03:29] lay out the elements of a crime?\n[03:31] But she was not the police officer.\n[03:33] She was not the investigator.\n[03:34] She cooperated.\n[03:35] She gave this evidence.\n[03:36] And apparently, it wasn't forwarded on,\n[03:39] depending on who you believe.\n[03:40] And you have to ask yourself, why\n[03:42] was it not included in the six page report so even though Jane Joe made edits\n[03:45] to that six page report it was her belief that that was not going to be the\n[03:48] only document that was sent over to police why would she I mean just\n[03:52] logically I mean you have to wonder why that six page report was the only thing\n[03:57] that was done why was it written in the fashion it was she didn't she wasn't\n[04:00] the author of it but she gave a hundred pages of testimony about what\n[04:04] it occurred that included all the elements of a crime and then you a\n[04:07] sanitized report is prepared which eliminated all the elements of the crime.\n[04:12] You have to wonder.\n[04:13] Do you think this was a cover-up by Cornell University?\n[04:17] I think there was a cover-up and I'm not somebody who says that lightly.\n[04:20] I certainly am not.\n[04:22] And I think there was a cover-up.\n[04:23] I think there was a desire to protect the institution.\n[04:26] I think that went forward with up in Tompkins County because look, it's the single biggest\n[04:33] employer.\n[04:34] It's the source of all the revenue in the county.\n[04:35] you get outside of Cornell in Tompkins County,\n[04:37] you have cows, you have farms, that's it.\n[04:40] So you have to wonder why all of this information\n[04:43] was not included, why were the interviews not included\n[04:46] to the police, why were all the statements that supported\n[04:50] a crime not forward and onto the district attorney.\n[04:53] But here's the bigger question.\n[04:54] The district attorney is the person\n[04:55] who's in charge of doing the prosecution.\n[04:58] Why didn't they request all the investigation materials?\n[05:01] And here's the thing that I think is very important.\n[05:03] Why are they being leaked?\n[05:05] Because I don't get investigation materials as an attorney in a civil case.\n[05:09] They go to the defense lawyer in a criminal case, they're called Brady materials.\n[05:14] So who's releasing these materials?\n[05:16] Who's leaking them to the press?\n[05:17] I think what happened was the people who did the investigation thought there was\n[05:20] a crime.\n[05:22] And I think they're not happy that they have egg on their face and being portrayed\n[05:26] as inept, because that's what I thought.\n[05:29] And now they're showing, look, we did our job, but the people in charge, the\n[05:32] the bosses didn't follow up on it.\n[05:35] So you have been accused of leaking this information.\n[05:38] In fact, in court, one of the attorneys for the accused\n[05:40] says that you are attempting to poison the jury pool\n[05:44] by going out there and leaking this information.\n[05:46] Do you deny that you're leaking anything to the press,\n[05:49] the text messages, anything?\n[05:51] I sent a letter to the court.\n[05:54] I offered to give the court a review of my emails\n[05:57] and my text where I said I can't give them to you\n[06:01] because these are confidential.\n[06:02] I was the only one who did that.\n[06:04] All the defense lawyers, the people who said\n[06:05] I was the leaker, didn't take up the offer.\n[06:09] They didn't say, you can look at my text,\n[06:11] you can look at my emails, what does that tell you?\n[06:13] And here's the thing, the things that have been leaked,\n[06:16] of course, the findings, they haven't been leaked\n[06:18] because they're favorable to me.\n[06:19] After a month long hearing,\n[06:21] everybody who I sued was found guilty of something.\n[06:24] I'm not gonna tell you what,\n[06:26] but why are they not leaking that?\n[06:28] Ask yourself that.\n[06:29] So who is leaking this, you think?\n[06:30] I have no idea, but I know it's not me.\n[06:35] I wanted to ask you, so you have suggested\n[06:41] that this two-year delay may have resulted\n[06:43] in critical evidence in this case being destroyed.\n[06:46] Do you have any evidence at all\n[06:48] that critical evidence has been destroyed in this case?\n[06:50] What I have is my experience as a lawyer\n[06:52] looking at cases, evaluating cases for over 30 years.\n[06:55] The best time to get evidence\n[06:56] is close in time to the event.\n[06:58] The longer a time goes by, evidence gets lost,\n[07:02] gets, things go, happen to it,\n[07:04] and you don't have the opportunity to develop your case.\n[07:07] That's why when I get involved in a case,\n[07:09] I wanna get into it early so I can collect the evidence.\n[07:11] That's the delay.\n[07:13] Time is the delay,\n[07:15] and time prevents you from building a solid case.\n[07:18] But why throw out the assertion\n[07:20] that critical evidence could be destroyed?\n[07:22] I mean, at a time when we don't know that.\n[07:24] Well, I know enough about Instagram,\n[07:26] The whole idea about Instagram as it's there, it's gone.\n[07:29] If the group chat, which invited people\n[07:31] to participate in the rape,\n[07:33] if that hadn't been given to Jane Doe within two days,\n[07:37] knowing what I know about Instagram,\n[07:39] it would have disappeared.\n[07:40] So logically, people are on Instagram, it disappears.\n[07:44] People are on Telegram, it disappears.\n[07:47] What I can tell you is I logically know\n[07:50] that the best time to get evidence\n[07:51] in close and proximity to the event.\n[07:54] Has Jane Doe sat with Attorney General Letitia James' team yet,\n[07:57] and has she given a sworn statement?\n[07:59] She has not.\n[08:02] Do you have any idea where we stand on that investigation\n[08:04] right now?\n[08:05] It's early days.\n[08:06] No conversation, no sworn statement, nothing.\n[08:09] So there's an effort today in Monticello, New York.\n[08:12] I had no idea why it's happening there.\n[08:13] But a New York judge is hearing arguments\n[08:15] between one of the accused attorneys and Letitia James\n[08:18] and Governor Kathy Huckle.\n[08:20] Letitia James is being accused of being\n[08:22] biased against the accused man and pre-judging this case by posting on X about Jane Doe quote\n[08:28] we stand with you this was three days before she was chosen to be the special prosecutor.\n[08:33] Do you think A.G.\n[08:34] James should be replaced as special prosecutor to remove even the appearance that an independent\n[08:39] investigation is biased?\n[08:41] Well I think look I'm not a judge I don't rule on that but what I can say is this\n[08:47] Leticia James, I disagreed with her during the Weinstein litigation.\n[08:52] I mean, I'm on record as the person who blew up the class action settled with me\n[08:57] and two other lawyers because I didn't think it was fair.\n[08:59] So, look, Leticia James, I didn't think she was right that time.\n[09:02] She could be right this time.\n[09:03] However, the basic point is this, the New York State Attorney General's office\n[09:07] is not equipped to do criminal investigations.\n[09:10] She's going to appoint somebody who's outside, who's an experienced prosecutor.\n[09:13] She's not going to be in charge of it.\n[09:15] It's much ado about nothing.\n[09:16] I think because they'll be bringing in a professional either somebody, a very experienced\n[09:21] prosecutor from one of the offices down in Manhattan or Brooklyn who deal with sex crimes\n[09:25] all the time.\n[09:27] And that's who's going to be doing the investigation.\n[09:29] Tish James is not doing any investigation.\n[09:31] But ultimately it's in her office and she's given the title of special prosecutor.\n[09:35] So why go through this if it doesn't matter?\n[09:38] Well, why go through this is this is how government works.\n[09:41] She's the leading law officer in the state of New York.\n[09:44] Logically she gets the appointment because she's the leading law officer in the state\n[09:48] I mean you're not going to appoint somebody who doesn't fall into the bureaucratic hierarchy of our government\n[09:54] That's how government works\n[09:55] Would you have preferred somebody who wasn't so political to be in charge of this thing? Well look candidly\n[10:01] the appointment of Letitia James has brought out people who I think are kooks and it caused\n[10:08] Trouble for me personally it caused trouble for my client personally because of\n[10:13] people get she's a polarizing figure now you know that's I could have done\n[10:18] without that yeah you know just overall what does Jane Doe want as a result of\n[10:28] these investigations which she wants first and foremost is she wants there\n[10:33] to be change at Cornell how they educate students to prevent rape let\n[10:40] them know there's consequences if there is sexual abuse and that there's\n[10:44] appropriate support if something happens. Now that didn't happen in her case across the board so\n[10:50] look people have tried to say look this is all about money it's yes it is about money but it's\n[10:54] also about change because any resolution with this case is going to have strings attached that\n[10:58] require them to take steps to educate their incoming freshmen look when I went to college 40\n[11:03] years ago it was made very clear to me at orientation what's appropriate what's not what are\n[11:07] the consequences it's not going to be a joke for example we know we know within 48 hours\n[11:13] before this, this, this rapes occurred, could get arrested for drugs, ketamine, overdose,\n[11:20] ketamine.\n[11:21] Within 48 hours, there shouldn't have been a party that night.\n[11:24] That should be, and their rules say there shouldn't have been a sanctioned party, but\n[11:27] it went ahead.\n[11:28] That kind of stuff shouldn't have happened, and it should stop going forward.\n[11:31] And then what happened with the ketamine?\n[11:33] Why is there so much ketamine there?\n[11:34] I'll ask you about the ketamine in a minute, but I want to ask you about whether, so\n[11:40] You talk about the monetary, I guess, the compensation that you're looking for with\n[11:45] your civil lawsuit.\n[11:47] Would Jane Doe be willing to settle, to make all of this go away with a monetary settlement\n[11:52] that you found sufficient?\n[11:54] No.\n[11:55] It's going to come with strengths, because her goal is also to make a change.\n[11:58] Her goal is to make sure that going forward, there are no more Jane Does.\n[12:02] It's not just about money.\n[12:03] It's about change at that institution, how they deal with sex abuse, how they\n[12:07] deal with rapes and how they support women and men if this happens.\n[12:12] I mean, look, 35% of the people at their institution, and that's 5,000 people, 5,000 have, according\n[12:21] to their own, their own, let me do that again.\n[12:24] Yeah, go ahead.\n[12:25] Let me do that again.\n[12:26] Do I want to ask a question?\n[12:27] Ask me the question.\n[12:28] Yeah, so would Jane Doe be willing to settle for any kind of monetary settlement in\n[12:33] this case?\n[12:34] This is different than other cases.\n[12:35] This is going to have strings attached.\n[12:37] This is going to require Cornell to take steps to prevent sex abuse on campus and to give\n[12:43] support to people who are survivors of sex abuse on campus, none of which happened in\n[12:47] this case.\n[12:48] I mean, here's the thing, 35% of all students at that institution that's reported were\n[12:56] subjected to unwanted sexual conduct, sexual assault.\n[13:00] That's an incredible number.\n[13:01] Now, translate what that 35% is.\n[13:04] I looked up, there's 16,000 people who go to Cornell,\n[13:07] that's about 5,000 people.\n[13:09] That's an incredible amount, actually more.\n[13:10] I'm wrong about that, let me change that again.\n[13:15] I'll start again.\n[13:16] I won't use a PGA on the math, don't worry about that.\n[13:18] What?\n[13:19] The math part, don't worry about that.\n[13:19] Yeah, you're good, you're good.\n[13:20] The rest of it was great, yeah, same with us,\n[13:22] math ain't great.\n[13:23] Math ain't not good, that's us\n[13:24] with the liberal arts degree, so that's a good math.\n[13:28] So, hypothetically here, a settlement is reached\n[13:32] with strings and money.\n[13:33] Would Jane Doe be willing to drop all criminal proceedings\n[13:36] or investigations?\n[13:38] No, no, they need to be accountable.\n[13:41] They need to be accountable.\n[13:42] These boys raped her,\n[13:43] and they should be accountable under the law.\n[13:47] Wow, so there's no way out of this criminal.\n[13:49] Well, we don't make the decision\n[13:50] who's gonna prosecute her, who's not.\n[13:52] She wouldn't drop the charges\n[13:54] or she wouldn't dismiss the charges\n[13:56] on her own right with a settlement.\n[13:58] No, no way, no way.\n[14:00] They should be accountable.\n[14:03] So a judge recently ruled that Jane Doe can continue to use her pseudo name and does not\n[14:09] need to be publicly identified.\n[14:12] Is Jane Doe continuing to receive threats and what are those threats like?\n[14:16] The threats have tapered off because people who make threats are cowards.\n[14:20] And once I was out there explaining that the people who did the swatting and the\n[14:25] people who were making threats against my wife and against Jane Doe, they seemed\n[14:28] to have crawled back into their hole.\n[14:30] So the threats have decreased tremendously because cowards don't want to deal with the\n[14:35] FBI.\n[14:36] They don't want to get hauled into jail.\n[14:38] And so they've gone down dramatically.\n[14:40] And I think there's been an out backlash about what was going on and the people who were\n[14:45] doing this.\n[14:46] And that's a good thing.\n[14:47] It shows that we're Americans, we're good people, and we don't do things like that.\n[14:51] The attorneys for the accused man agreed that Jane Doe should have her anonymity\n[14:55] given the threats that she's facing.\n[14:58] However, in your civil lawsuit, you named all seven accused men.\n[15:01] Yep.\n[15:02] Why did you do that?\n[15:03] Well, because, A, the law doesn't provide them with the right to anonymity.\n[15:07] It does provide to somebody who's a survivor of sex abuse.\n[15:11] The fact is, by identifying them, my experience has been,\n[15:14] I don't know if these guys, is that there's usually information that comes out\n[15:20] when defendants' names are public.\n[15:22] For example, I had a case where I sued somebody publicly and I received three calls for other\n[15:33] victims of this person.\n[15:34] In fact, I had one on another case this morning that I got for somebody with a doctor who\n[15:39] was abusing a patient and I received an email just this morning from somebody who identified\n[15:44] as a survivor and a victim of what had happened.\n[15:46] What about threats towards them and their rights to at least have all the facts\n[15:51] out there before they're being accused of rape?\n[15:54] Well, I do have the facts, and the fact is, what they did was wrong.\n[16:00] That group chat is devastating.\n[16:03] There's no way to go hide that.\n[16:04] You can spin it whatever way you want, but it's an invitation to rape somebody.\n[16:10] Plain and simple.\n[16:11] So you have no concern about the fact that their names are out there before all of\n[16:14] this has been adjudicated?\n[16:16] No, because I think they did what they did.\n[16:19] They should be accountable.\n[16:20] They're sitting there, some of them are still going to Cornell.\n[16:22] My client got into Cornell.\n[16:24] They thought she was somebody from some Nowhere'sville and there wasn't going to be consequences,\n[16:28] but they're going to get their Ivy League degree.\n[16:29] She's not getting her Ivy League degree.\n[16:31] That's not right.\n[16:32] And you see Jane Doe as a completely different, I guess some people might say there's\n[16:39] a hypocrisy in wanting Jane Doe to keep her anonymity, but not these men.\n[16:44] There's no hypocrisy.\n[16:45] The law is the law.\n[16:47] It's written to, you know, in a fashion that protects survivors of sex abuse.\n[16:54] It's not written in a fashion to protect perpetrators of sex abuse.\n[16:58] That's the law.\n[16:59] That's what our politicians up in Albany came up with, and that's the law in the state\n[17:03] of New York.\n[17:04] It's not my law.\n[17:05] It's not Jane Doe's law.\n[17:06] It's the law of the state of New York.\n[17:07] Last few questions here.\n[17:08] You were asked, one of the accused asked a judge to issue a gag order to bar you\n[17:14] from talking to the press.\n[17:15] talked about this, arguing that you were poisoning the jury pool. A judge denied that\n[17:19] request. There's a Netflix documentary that's coming out today. Are you getting paid for\n[17:26] that documentary? Why choose to continue to go out there?\n[17:29] Well, part of the reason I'm continuing to go out there is the following. There's\n[17:33] been a backlash against Jane Doe. There's been leaking of documents to kind of try\n[17:37] to control the narrative by the other side. And I've seen it before. I saw it in\n[17:43] the Sean Combs case, and I knew it was gonna happen in this case, and sure enough it did.\n[17:48] And so I'm basically being the voice for Jane Doe, because Jane Doe can't speak.\n[17:51] I mean, look, the defense lawyers are out there talking, and they're trying to spin\n[17:55] their story.\n[17:56] For example, you know, this whole idea that obviously they have no idea of how rape\n[18:01] trauma works, and they don't like the fact that I can explain how rape trauma\n[18:04] works, because guess what?\n[18:05] I've represented people for years and years, and I've read hundreds of studies,\n[18:09] so I understand it, but they tried to silence it.\n[18:12] I think you just referred to this, but I want to ask you about the TMZ text messages that\n[18:15] were leaked.\n[18:16] And those messages Jane Doe refers to the alleged assault as a quote, gang bang, saying,\n[18:21] I don't think we should feel any shame for that part.\n[18:25] Our body, our choice.\n[18:27] The friendly texts are the two of the seven men she's accused of rape.\n[18:30] What's your response to these texts?\n[18:32] My response to these texts, and this is why they're being leaked in this selective\n[18:36] fashion, is they're the typical reaction of somebody following a rape, particularly\n[18:40] involving close friends.\n[18:42] are rape survivors and this is not me saying this you can look at there's many\n[18:46] many studies and there's no studies out there that say the contrary rape\n[18:50] survivors don't want to be identified as a victim there's denial first step of\n[18:54] any rape survivors processing then there's shame what could I have done\n[18:57] differently and then there's finally acceptance so you know what that's what\n[19:01] science said it's not what I say and that's why the defense tried to\n[19:05] silence me because I can explain the science and they don't want the\n[19:08] science out there. Yeah, there's also a text message at 3 0 5 in the morning to\n[19:12] Jane Doe's roommate in which she asked if she was coming home that night and Jane\n[19:16] answers IDK. I don't know. The text exchange occurred somewhere between a\n[19:21] half hour an hour after she says multiple men were snorting ketamine off\n[19:24] her body and that she was quote out of it. You say in your civil lawsuit\n[19:28] that she was totally incapacitated. The defense says this is proof that\n[19:33] she was not incapacitated that she was not out of it. Well, I think the\n[19:37] The people who said they were snorting ketamine offer, don't dispute they were snorting ketamine\n[19:40] offer.\n[19:41] The people who had sexual relations with her don't deny that they had sexual relations\n[19:45] with her.\n[19:46] I think taking one select text out of 500 pages of evidence in the Title IX hearing\n[19:53] and is really selective, because I could cherry pick anything I want to.\n[19:58] But you know, that's what's going on.\n[20:00] And finally, sources with direct knowledge are telling TMZ that DEA is working with local law enforcement to hunt down the source of the ketamine drug from that night.\n[20:09] Has the DEA contacted you or Jane Doe about ketamine or that investigation?\n[20:14] No, obviously there's a problem. One of the things I believe we mentioned in the lawsuit is one of the men said that the ketamine came from Cornell Labs.\n[20:23] And if they're investigating it, they should.\n[20:25] I mean, logically, why was the Cornell police not investigating why the Kai-Fi house was\n[20:31] overrun with ketamine?\n[20:32] It's a date rape drug.\n[20:34] Everybody knows that.\n[20:35] And so, why, logically, are you in Ithaca, New York, why would you not want to investigate\n[20:40] why there's so much ketamine?\n[20:41] I mean, look, they had a drug overdose, they had a drug bust.\n[20:44] And then they have this incident all in a short period of time.\n[20:47] Doesn't that show a problem?\n[20:48] Doesn't that show why is there so much ketamine up in Ithaca, New York in\n[20:52] in this one frat house.\n[20:53] Would Jane Doe be willing to participate\n[20:55] in a drug investigation?\n[20:56] Well, I don't think she knows anything\n[20:58] about the origins of the drugs.\n[20:59] That I can say for sure.\n[21:01] But I think if they're looking into it,\n[21:03] they should have looked into it two years ago,\n[21:04] and it makes logical sense\n[21:06] that they're looking into it now.\n[21:08] And finally, overall, there just seems to be this idea\n[21:12] that when people read these text messages\n[21:13] in the narrative that's been out there,\n[21:15] there is a sense from reading the text messages\n[21:18] that Jane Doe at least wanted to have sex\n[21:20] with two of those men.\n[21:22] Your civil lawsuit is unequivocal that she was raped\n[21:25] by all of the men, that she was totally incapacitated,\n[21:28] forced to do this, even though there are text messages\n[21:31] and part documents out there that show that Jane Doe\n[21:35] was interested in having sex with at least two of the men\n[21:37] and there are friendly texts before and after.\n[21:40] Why go so far in your civil lawsuit\n[21:44] to accuse all seven of forced rape\n[21:48] And not just at least, you know, isn't there a plausibility here that she wanted to have sex with two of the seven men and that it was raped by the other men at some point in that night?\n[22:00] It wasn't consensual?\n[22:02] What I want to be clear on, and I've said this many times and the complaint says this, I'm not saying every single one of these men committed rape.\n[22:08] I'm certainly not saying that.\n[22:10] What I am saying is the evidence that shows, and again people look in little slivers and cherry-picked to try to present to a narrative,\n[22:17] If she was intoxicated from the time she left her sorority house, she should have never\n[22:22] left that sorority house.\n[22:24] Never, never, never.\n[22:25] And she went out into the world, she served alcohol at two different bars, and then she\n[22:29] shows up there.\n[22:30] She had no ability to consent.\n[22:31] Period.\n[22:32] Okay.\n[22:36] I think we've covered everything.\n[22:38] Do you know anything you want to say?\n[22:40] Anything that we may not have covered?\n[22:41] No, no, no.\n[22:42] Where'd you hear about the DEA thing?\n[22:44] TMZ.\n[22:45] That's why I quoted them.\n[22:47] We don't have it ourselves.\n[22:48] I think you have one more question.\n[22:51] Sure.\n[22:53] Just look at me once you respond.\n[22:54] Yeah.\n[22:55] You alluded to this that she wants to see changes at Cornell.\n[22:58] Yeah.\n[23:00] Does Jane Doe, or do you have actual concrete ideas\n[23:05] as to how this kind of culture can change, not only at Cornell\n[23:09] but university campuses across the country?\n[23:11] Yeah, I think the one thing why this is resonated\n[23:15] is because it's so prevalent,\n[23:18] and it's not just a Cornell problem.\n[23:19] I think it's university-wide,\n[23:22] I think it's society-wide, frankly,\n[23:24] and there are steps that universities can take\n[23:28] to decrease the risk of the incidents.\n[23:31] For example, I did do looking at some of the statistics\n[23:34] from other schools, and there were other schools\n[23:36] that had kind of high numbers, like 35%,\n[23:39] and they instituted programs to kind of address this,\n[23:42] and their numbers dropped down to 20.\n[23:45] So that's a big jump.\n[23:46] So if you take the affirmative steps, the incidences go down\n[23:52] and people get educated.\n[23:53] I mean, look, where I went to school, it's very low.\n[23:55] Relatively, it's only 7%.\n[23:57] But I know where I went to school 40 years ago,\n[23:59] it was very clear to me that if you did something inappropriate\n[24:02] like this, it's no ifs, buts, or maybes, you're out.\n[24:05] And you treat women in a certain way.\n[24:07] And if you don't, there are going to be consequences.\n[24:09] Cornell doesn't seem like they have consequences\n[24:12] in a lot of ways.\n[24:12] And that's a problem and that leads to a culture where you end up with 5,000 people out of\n[24:19] the total population of the undergraduate school being subjected to unwanted sexual\n[24:24] conduct, some kind of assault or rape.","url":"https://lucycraig.blog/media/698"}